Bruno Lima Rocha is a political scientist, professional journalist and professor
of international relations based in Brazil, and is a member of the editorialboard of the Institute for Anarchist Theory and History (IATH-ITHA). ---- Thefollowing interview has been lightly edited for clarity. ---- Black Rose / RosaNegra (BRRN): Looming over much of the political landscape in Brazil is thepresidential election, in which former president Lula da Silva is expected to winin the second round over incumbent Jair Bolsonaro, in part by taking up space inthe political center. How has this election campaign impacted social forces onthe left and the right in Brazil? ---- Bruno Lima Rocha (BLR): In the first roundof the general elections, Lula (PT plus eight parties) had just over 48% of thevotes and Bolsonaro 43.5%. It gives an average of about 6 million votes, in auniverse of 156 million voters, in a total with 20% abstention. The number ofnull and blank votes was low compared to other years. On the far left, we hadcandidacies from small parties such as Popular Unity (of Maoist origin), PCO (aline of Trotskyism), PSTU (Trotskyist Morenism) and PCB (neo-Stalinists). In all26 states and the Federal District, the set of these small electoral parties moreto the left does not reach 2% of the electorate. Thus, the left's space in thepolitical debate is small, because the program of Lula and his deputy GeraldoAlckmin could be called social-liberal: social democrat in social policies andpost-neoliberal in economic policy and state design. The radicalism in thiselection is marked by the extreme right, with Bolsonaro and his version oftropical Trumpism.BRRN: Despite the glowing picture that progressives and social democrats paint ofLula, it was under the PT (Worker's Party) that Brazil's government made its turntoward austerity. Given that this will likely be a second term in office for him,how effective do you think left organizations and movements will be at wringingconcessions from a Lula-led PT government?BLR: The turn to "austerity" took place in Dilma's second government (January2015 until her impeachment without legal cause, in April 2016), when there-elected president appointed economist Joaquim Levy, a Chicago Boy, as financeminister. That made an immediate inflection for the inflation of administeredprices, cut of social policies, reduction of industrial policies and of funds foreducation (including scientific research). Even all that could not stop theparliamentary coup that Dilma suffered.There is not much room immediately for a left turn in Lula's government if hewins in the second round: Bolsonaro left a fiscal bomb, without the BrazilianState's financing capacity. Social dissatisfaction could arise and with greatenergy if we have the predicted recession in 2023 and the first half of 2024.BRRN: In general, are anarchist organizations advocating abstention orparticipation in the general election, or are they focusing their communicationselsewhere entirely? As CAB wrote in its Analysis of the Brazilian Conjuncture inJune, there has been an increase in far-right political violence, including themurders of journalists. There has also been over the past decade a steadyincrease in the military's presence within the civilian state. Both are mattersof significant concern. Where is the sharpest edge of the far right in Brazil?BLR: Organized anarchism in Brazil is very active in the anti-fascist struggleand is not campaigning electorally.As for the extreme right, their forces are clearly visible. The high command ofthe armed forces (brigadiers, admirals and generals) earn more than four timestheir regular salaries, and there are more than 11,000 military and ex-militaryin civil administration posts - a historic rematch of the military that gave usthe 1964 coup d'état and implemented a dictatorship until 1985.Another wing of the extreme right are the political-economic leaders ofenvironmental crime: advancing on agricultural land, destroying biomes,threatening indigenous and quilombola lands and applying agricultural poisonsprohibited in other countries.There is also the neo-Pentecostal, Pentecostal and conservative Protestantextreme right, reproducing in Brazil the same agenda of the bible belt in thereligious right wing of the Republican Party in the U.S.The newest far right is a tropical Trumpism, which explains the relations betweenSteve Bannon and the Bolsonaro family.And then there is the new neoliberal right, based in speculative finance, with asizeable portion supporting Bolsonaro. Bolsonaro's Minister of Economy is anauthentic Chicago Boy, Paulo Guedes (he even worked in Chile during the Pinochetdictatorship), who operates as a defender of the interests of Brazil's mostunproductive capital.There is also a broad sector of the police: Bolsonaro is supported by thepolice's extreme right and has direct involvement with para-police formations,especially in his electoral base of origin, Rio de Janeiro.In terms of international support, Bolsonaro is a strategic ally of Zionism andits interests in promoting the State of Israel.Finally, there is a fauna of far-right fractions, neo-fascists, Brazilianfascists, supremacists, neo-Nazis and the like that explicitly support Bolsonaro.BRRN: Abortion rights are an active terrain of struggle across the Americas, withvictories in Argentina, Colombia, and Mexico, and setbacks in the United States.Abortion is criminalized in Brazil, though of course that doesn't halt abortions,just make them more dangerous. Is the feminist movement positioned to makeprogress in Brazil on the interlinked issues of abortion access, rape, and femicide?BLR: In Brazil we have a huge mobilization of both women and people of Africandescent. Those in the hegemonic media that oppose Bolsonaro may discuss mattersof gender but are clearly against reproductive rights. The same is true for thedefense of the LGBTQI+ population and peripheral metropolitan regions. Thereligious right's veto powers, as well as its direct ownership of three of thetop five media outlets, manages to keep the abortion debate silenced. In Brazil,the generalist media conglomerates are, in this order of audience and importance:GloboRecord and SBT (tied)Rede BandeirantesTV Brasil and other small or regional broadcastersGlobo has 50% of the audience and is very in tune with the agenda of the U.S.Democratic Party. Record and SBT are more popular and reproduce conservatism withsignificant social penetration. Bandeirantes is divided on the position and RedeTV supports Bolsonaro. I say all this because the popularization of the themes ofwomen's and anti-racist struggles has only been accomplished via struggle on asocietal scale, not through the world of entertainment and professionalcommunication.Another sector, as large as the first, is positioned on social networks againstthe advancement of women's rights and radically against the decriminalization ofabortion. For example, in 2018, women mobilized in the Ele Não ("Not Him")campaign, which opposed Bolsonaro's first run for president. The right respondedto that campaign with a dirty internet war, asserting imbecilities like claimingthat Fernando Haddad (PT's presidential candidate in 2018) would distribute"penis-shaped bottles in children's schools."Religious conservatives have 180 votes in Congress, out of a total of 513 federaldeputies and 81 senators.BRRN: The people of Brazil are suffering from the combined economic, pandemic,and ecological catastrophes in ways that are recognizable across the globe. Howhave anarchists participated in popular efforts of not just survival butorganization and radicalization? In what sectors or regions are anarchists mostactive in Brazil? What activities and strategies is it most important foranarchists there to strengthen over the next few years?BLR: I speak for the Institute of Anarchist Theory and History (ITHA) and not anyparticular anarchist political organization in Brazil. My basis for analysis isespecifista anarchist theory and the strategic studies derived from it, but Icannot comment in terms of identifying the social forces where we havesignificant presence and insertion.I hope I have answered the questions in a way that generates information andreflection from comrades who will read these modest words. For socialism and freedom.https://blackrosefed.org/interview-with-a-brazilian-anarchist-on-lula-bolsonaro-and-social-struggle/_________________________________________A - I N F O S N E W S S E R V I C EBy, For, and About AnarchistsSend news reports to A-infos-en mailing listA-infos-en@ainfos.ca
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