Given the speed with which the events of the war in Ukraine are advancing and the
fragmentation, confusion and bias of the information that reaches us through thedifferent media, the Moiras group decided to send some questions this week to theRussian section of the IWA, with in order to obtain a libertarian perspectiveabout the conflict that helps us position ourselves and make decisions based onexpanded knowledge. In the text that follows, these questions are collectedtogether with the answers sent by KRAS, to whom we thank from here for theirquick and clarifying response.Moiras: In your statement to the IWA about the war in Ukraine, you point to thegas markets as the main reason for the conflict. We would like you to tell usmore about what the specific capitalist interests are behind this war, both onthe Russian side and on the pro-NATO side, and tell us about the recent evolutionof politics in your area, based on these markets and their influence on theeconomy of Western countries. This information usually remains in the backgroundin the version of the media here, very focused on daily news, but where there islittle analysis.KRAS: First of all, it is necessary to understand that there are different levelsof conflict and different levels of inter-capitalist contradictions. At theregional level, today's war is just a continuation of the struggle between theruling castes of the post-Soviet states for the redivision of the post-Sovietspace. Contrary to popular myth, the Soviet Union collapsed not as a result ofpopular liberation movements, but as a result of the actions of a part of theruling nomenklatura, which divided territories and zones of influence amongthemselves, when the usual and established methods of his domain was in crisis.Since that initial division, which was based on the balance of power at thattime, a constant struggle has developed for the redistribution of territories andresources, leading to constant wars throughout the post-Soviet region. At thesame time, the ruling classes of all post-Soviet states (all of them, to onedegree or another, come from the Soviet nomenklatura or its successors) haveadopted militant nationalism in ideology, neoliberalism in economics, andauthoritarian methods of management in politics.The second level of conflict is the struggle for hegemony in the post-Sovietspace between the strongest state in the region, Russia, which calls itself aregional power and considers the entire post-Soviet space as an area of itshegemonic interests, and the states of the Western bloc (although here, too, theinterests and aspirations of the United States and individual European NATO andEU states may not be exactly the same). Both sides seek to establish theireconomic and political control over the countries of the former Soviet Union.Hence the clash between NATO's expansion to the East and Russia's desire tosecure these countries under its influence.The third level of contradictions is of an economic-strategic nature. It is nocoincidence that modern Russia is called "an appendage to the gas and oilpipeline." Russia plays today on the world market, first of all, the role ofsupplier of energy resources, gas and oil. The predatory and completely corruptruling class, purely parasitic in its essence, did not begin to invest in thediversification of the economic structure, contenting themselves withsuper-profits from oil and gas supplies. Meanwhile, Western capital and statesare beginning the transition to a new energy structure, the so-called "greenenergy", aimed at reducing the consumption of gas and oil in the future. ForRussian capital and its economy, this will mean the same strategic collapse thatthe fall in oil prices caused for the Soviet economy at the time. Therefore, theKremlin seeks to prevent this energy turnaround, or slow it down, or at leastachieve more favorable conditions for itself in the redistribution of the energymarket. For example, looking for long-term supply contracts and better prices,pushing out competitors, etc. If necessary, this can involve direct pressure onthe West in various ways. alienate competitors, etc. If necessary, this caninvolve direct pressure on the West in various ways. alienate competitors, etc.If necessary, this can involve direct pressure on the West in various ways.Finally, the fourth level (global) is the contradictions between the maincapitalist superpowers, the United States in retreat and China in the advance,around which blocs of allies, vassals and satellites are forming. Both countriesare now vying for world hegemony. For China, with its "one belt, one road"strategy, the gradual conquest of the economies of Asia, Africa, Latin Americaand the penetration of Europe, Russia is an important minor partner. The responseof the United States and its allies in the West is NATO's expansion eastward,reaching out through Ukraine and Georgia to the Near and Middle East and itsresources. This is also a type of "belt" project. He encounters resistance fromimperialist rivals: China and Russia, which are increasingly dependent on him.At the same time, the internal political aspect should not be overlooked. TheCovid crisis has exposed the deep internal instability of the political, economicand social structure of all the countries of the world. This also applies to thestates of the West, Russia, Ukraine, etc. The deterioration of living conditions,the growth of prices and social inequality, the massive indignation of thepopulation with coercive and dictatorial measures and prohibitions gave rise towidespread discontent in society. And in such situations, the ruling classes havealways resorted to tried and tested methods to restore the notorious "nationalunity" and the population's confidence in power: by creating the image of anenemy and whipping up military hysteria, even a "victorious little war".».Moiras: In the countries of the European Union, the media, echoing thegovernments, continually repeat to us that Putin is solely responsible for thiswar. Knowing the history of NATO, with the United States in the lead, we thinkthat this is not the case. How to explain this to our populations withoutappearing that we are justifying the Russian attack and siding with the Putingovernment?KRAS: Unfortunately, the mass public consciousness tends to look for simple,crude answers to questions. We have no reason to sympathize with the owner of theKremlin and its administration. His neoliberal policies have led to a truecollapse of the health and education systems, to the poverty of retirees andpublic sector workers in the province. Wages in the country are monstrously low,the labor movement is really paralyzed... But, regardless of this, we understandthat all this is the product of a certain system based on the State and Capital.We do not live in the 17th century, not in the era of absolutist monarchies. Toconsider everything that happens in the world as the work of a few individual"heroes" or "antiheroes" is naive to say the least. but in fact it is one of theforms of the same conspiracy theory. This was forgivable in the 19th century bythe romantic Carlyle or the writer Alexandre Dumas. But in our time it is alreadyworth understanding that the world is much more complicated, and that capitalism,as a social system, works differently. Therefore, our task is to explain topeople the systemic conditionality of the problems that shake the world today.Including the wars of this world. And that the only way to solve these problemsis to destroy the social system that creates them. our task is to explain topeople the systemic conditionality of the problems that shake the world today.Including the wars of this world. And that the only way to solve these problemsis to destroy the social system that creates them. our task is to explain topeople the systemic conditionality of the problems that shake the world today.Including the wars of this world. And that the only way to solve these problemsis to destroy the social system that creates them.Moiras: The schemes of the Cold War are being reproduced, so that it seems thatif you criticize one side it is because you are with the other. Anarchists findthis very problematic, especially when we have no social force. We want to act,but we fear being dragged down and used by the armies of the states. In thedemonstrations that are taking place in our cities, the proclamation of "no towar" is being mixed with requests for NATO intervention. Journalism related tothe government of the Spanish socialist party, the PSOE, presents us with theneed to intervene, sometimes drawing a historical parallel with the Spanish civilwar and the consequences of non-intervention by European countries, or theparticipation of Spanish exiles in France, many anarchists, in the French armyagainst the Nazis. To do? Pacifism and non-intervention, as was the majorityposition of anarchism against World War I, or support the Ukrainian resistanceagainst the invasion of Russian troops? Could this second option be considered asan internationalist action against imperialism?KRAS: From our point of view, there is no comparison with the situation of thecivil war in Spain and it cannot be. The Spanish anarchists advocated a socialrevolution. Similarly, there can be no comparison between, say, the Makhnovistmovement in the Ukraine and the defense of the modern Ukrainian state. Yes,Makhno fought against the foreign invaders, Austro-Germans, and against theUkrainian nationalists, and against the Whites and, in the end, against the Reds.But the Makhnovist partisans fought not for the political independence of Ukraine(which, in fact, they were indifferent to), but in defense of its revolutionarysocial achievements: for peasant land and workers' management of industry, forfree soviets. In the current war, we are talking exclusively about theconfrontation between two states, two groups of capitalists, two nationalisms. Itis not up to anarchists to choose the "lesser evil" among themselves. We do notwant victory for one or the other. All our sympathy goes to the ordinary workerswho die today under projectiles, rockets and bombs.At the same time, it is worth remembering that the position of most anarchists inthe First World War was not simply pacifist. This, as stated in the 1915 anti-warmanifesto, is a way to turn the imperialist war into a social revolution.Whatever the chances of achieving this at the present time, anarchists, in ouropinion, should constantly formulate and propagate such a perspective.Moiras: On the other hand, we get images from the internet of armed groups thatpresent themselves as an anarchist battalion in the Ukrainian army. Do you knowif they really are anarchists and what is their way of seeing the conflict? Andas for the reliance on Western weapons to combat the Russian attack, doesn't thatcondition too much the possibility of libertarian battalions in the army or of anindependent Ukrainian anarchist guerrilla? Do you know what has remained of theMakhnovichin, the anarchist revolution of a century ago, in the memory of theUkrainian people? Is there an anarchist movement in Ukraine today?KRAS: In 2014, the Ukrainian anarchist movement was divided between those whosupported the liberal-nationalist Maidan protest and later helped the newgovernment against the separatists in Donbass and those who tried to adopt a moreinternationalist position. Unfortunately, the second was less, but they were. Nowthe situation is similar, but even more acute. Broadly speaking, there are threepositions. Some groups (such as «Nihilist» and «Revolutionary Action» in kyiv)consider what is happening as a war against Russian imperialism and the Putindictatorship. They fully support the Ukrainian nationalist state and its militaryefforts in this war. The infamous photo of the "anarchist" fighters in uniformshows exactly the representatives of this trend: it specifically shows fans ofthe "anti-fascist" football club Arsenal and participants in "RevolutionaryAction". These "anti-fascists" are not even embarrassed by the fact that openlypro-fascist armed formations, like Azov, are among the Ukrainian troops.The second position is represented, for example, by the group "Black Banner" fromkyiv and Lvov. Before the war, he was a harsh critic of the Ukrainian state, theruling class, their neoliberal policies and nationalism. With the outbreak of thewar, the group declared that capitalism and the rulers on both sides were toblame for the war, but at the same time called for joining the forces of theso-called "territorial self-defense" - volunteer military units of lightinfantry. , which are formed on a territorial basis, on the ground -.The third position is expressed by the group «Assembly» in Kharkov. He alsocondemns both sides of the conflict, although he sees the Kremlin state as themost dangerous and reactionary force. It does not call to join armed formations.The group's activists are now organizing assistance to the civilian populationand the victims of the Russian army's bombing.The participation of anarchists in this war as part of the armed formationsoperating in Ukraine, we consider a break with the idea and cause of anarchism.These formations are not independent, they are subordinate to the Ukrainian armyand carry out the tasks set by the authorities. They do not raise programs orsocial demands. Hopes of carrying out anarchist agitation among them aredoubtful. There is no social revolution that must be defended in Ukraine. Inother words, those people who call themselves anarchists are simply sent to"defend the motherland" and the state, playing the role of cannon fodder forCapital and strengthening nationalist and militarist sentiments among the masses.Moiras:In our towns, the communities of Ukrainian migrant workers, with thecollaboration of humanitarian organizations and municipalities, are organizingthe collection and shipment to Ukraine of food, warm clothes, medicines... TheSpanish population is very supportive but neither the war nor the pandemic of thecovid seem to have served our societies to question the dependencies on energyresources and raw materials, dependencies that sustain neo-colonialism anddestroy the natural balance of the planet. Given the scarcity of resources, areturn to coal and a boost to nuclear power is expected. Perhaps Russian societyis more aware of the dangers and the need for alternatives? Is there an actionplan in this sense from the social movements? What do the KRAS and the IWA thinkabout this?KRAS: Unfortunately, the state of social movements in modern Russia isdeplorable. It is true that, even in recent years, there have been several activeand persistent environmental protests at the local level: against dumpsters,waste incinerators or environmental destruction by the mining industry, includingcoal mining. But they never resulted in a powerful movement at the country levelas a whole. As for the fight against atomic energy and nuclear power plants,which reached its peak in the Soviet Union and Russia in the late 1980s and1990s, there are practically no such uprisings now.Moiras: The demonstrations of Russians against the war help to understand theEuropean peoples that it is not the Russians who are attacking Ukraine, but thearmy of the state that rules Russia. This is being reflected by the media in ourcountries, and we know that there are thousands of detainees there in Russia as aresult of the demonstrations, how is this affecting Russian anarchism? What willthis mean for your freedom of expression and action in your country?KRAS: Demonstrations and various other actions against the war have not stoppedevery day since the first day. Thousands of people participate in them. Theauthorities prohibit their celebration under the pretext of "anticovidrestrictions" and brutally disperse them. In total, until March 8, some 11,000people were detained during demonstrations in more than 100 cities in thecountry. Most face fines of 10,000 to 20,000 rubles for holding an "unauthorized"protest. However, there are already crueler accusations: 28 people have alreadybeen accused of vandalism, extremism, violence against the authorities, etc., forwhich they face sentences of up to many years in prison. The authorities areclearly using the war as an opportunity to "tighten the screws" inside thecountry. Critical media outlets are closed or blocked. A hysterical war campaignis being waged in the official media. A law has been passed according to whichspreading "false information" about the activities of the army and "discreditingthe army", as well as resisting the police, are punishable by up to 15 years inprison. A bill has even been submitted to parliament that would allow arrestedopponents of the war to be sent to the front lines. People are fired from theirjobs, students are expelled from universities for anti-war speeches. Militarycensorship was introduced. A law has been passed according to which spreading"false information" about the activities of the army and "discrediting the army",as well as resisting the police, are punishable by up to 15 years in prison. Abill has even been submitted to parliament that would allow arrested opponents ofthe war to be sent to the front lines. People are fired from their jobs, studentsare expelled from universities for anti-war speeches. Military censorship wasintroduced. A law has been passed according to which spreading "falseinformation" about the activities of the army and "discrediting the army", aswell as resisting the police, are punishable by up to 15 years in prison. A billhas even been submitted to parliament that would allow arrested opponents of thewar to be sent to the front lines. People are fired from their jobs, students areexpelled from universities for anti-war speeches. Military censorship wasintroduced. students are expelled from universities for anti-war speeches.Military censorship was introduced. students are expelled from universities foranti-war speeches. Military censorship was introduced.In this situation, the small and divided anarchist movement in Russia is doingwhat it can. Some participate in protest demonstrations. So, two of ourcolleagues were also arrested and fined. Others are critical of thesedemonstrations, as calls for them often come from the right-wing liberalopposition and are often not so much anti-war as pro-Ukrainian (and sometimeseven pro-NATO). There remains the possibility of going to demonstrations withtheir slogans and banners (some anarchists do), or of undertaking smallindependent and decentralized actions. Anarchists write anti-war slogans on thewalls, paint graffiti, paste stickers and flyers, hang anti-war banners. 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